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Michael Pitt and director Mike Cahill

By: John Hanlon  |  July 23rd, 2014

The new independent sci-fi drama I Origins, viagra dosage starring Michael Pitt (Funny Games, Boardwalk Empire) and Brit Marling (Sound of My Voice, Another Earth) arrives in theaters this Friday. To promote the film, Pitt and director Mike Cahill visited D.C. yesterday and spoke to a roundtable of reporters– featuring Lauren Bradshaw (, Lauren Veneziani ( and myself– about their new project that delves into the debate about science versus religion.

The duo offered up champagne for the reporters for this thoughtful discussion and then we dove into how a National Geographic mystery helped inspire the story, the reason why the two of them would change their beliefs and how Pitt prepares for his romantic scenes. Check out a slightly edited transcript of our conversation below.

Lauren Bradshaw: One of my favorite parts about the movie were the little Easter eggs in it, especially the National Geographic girl with the bright green eyes  so I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about including that and if there were any other Easter eggs we might not have picked up on and maybe your favorite Easter egg too if you put any…

Mike Cahill: That was kind of a hat tip to a story that was very inspirational for writing this film and that’s the story about Sharbat Gula and she was photographed as a young girl by Steve McCurry on the border of Afghanistan and Pakistan. He didn’t know that was her name and he snapped this photograph of this young girl and then off she went playing with her friends and a few months later, the photograph became worldwide famous. It wasn’t until 17 years later that he mounted this expedition to try to find her again and he found her [by] bringing a iris biometrics scientist [in] to scan all the potential candidates’ eyes.

Lauren Bradshaw:  Well, that’s interesting.

Mike Cahill: And that’s when I learned that the eyes are unique– that they’re like a fingerprint.

Lauren Bradshaw: Through that story specifically?

Mike Cahill: Through that specific story. That’s the first time I had heard about iris biometrics and I was like ‘What does that mean?’ and I learned that it was more powerful than a fingerprint– that it was something that formed in your mother’s womb and stayed the same your whole life and so it became really inspirational for writing the story obviously, which is about a scientist who finds someone he loved through the eye so that was sort of one Easter egg in it. There’s one that’s really great that’s really subtle that nobody knows. [Referring to a test in the feature] To get 44% correct out of 25 questions, you know how many she got right? 11.

Lauren Bradshaw:  Oh, like the 11 in this movie. That’s interesting…

Mike Cahill: There are some subtle things like when Sofi and Ian first sit down in the diner, he asks about her parents and she dodges the question. She sorta dodges it with a smile but it’s suggestive that sometimes we smile when were hurting or it’s like a defense mechanism and Ian clocks it. You see him note that and then later when she shows the photographs of her grandmother, it’s a color photograph and she’s older. You see a photograph of her parents and it’s a black and white and she’s a baby and it’s suggested or at least subtextually– nothing over the head– that something happened to her parents. She lost her parents perhaps at a young age and the same fate has befallen Salomina in India as well. It’s his intercession in her life. Even searching for her alone brings her out of the status of being a street kid and presumably, they’re gonna adopt her or she’s gonna be saved. However one imagines but you know she’s going to be taken care of. That’s another thing that’s kinda subtle in there that you can pull out after watching the movie several times.

Lauren Bradshaw:  And Michael, what about you? Did you do any little Easter eggs with your character that you can think of? Any little tics or something that people might not at first pick up on?

Michael Pitt:I think when you’re doing a character, you’re always gonna do things like that. I’m trying to think right now. One of the things that I tried to do with this character was sort of implant this spiritual side of him that is something that he is suppressing so the idea was to play someone who was so…What he was saying– his philosophy- was so against [spirituality] but inside, there’s a little piece of him. He has this spiritual, psychic metaphysical area that he basically hides almost like someone who sings in the shower. Someone who never sings in front of anyone but like if they’re alone and they’re in the shower, they’ll go into–

Mike Cahill: Queen or something like that.

Michael Pitt: Or like a Bette Midler song. (laughter)

Lauren Bradshaw: Wind beneath my Wings.

Michael Pitt: Which is what I do…

Lauren Veneziani: I like what you say in your interviews how whenever you’re looking for your next project or character, you’re always looking to do something different. You don’t ever want to do the same thing and this character is different from anything you’ve done in your past role. What type of research did you do to play the scientist biologist character?

Michael Pitt:  I did something that Mike turned me onto early when we started discussing this. [There’s] a scientist named Richard Dawkins… He’s got hundreds of lectures and debates online. I really got into listening and watching those debates by Dawkins and it became this kind of thing to get me into character so all through the shooting and yeah, all through the shooting I would wake up to that…

John Hanlon: There’s a story in the film about the Dalai Lama saying he would change his beliefs if science proved otherwise. When you think about the beliefs you hold dear– whether they be political, religious or personal– what would make you change them?

Mike Cahill: Love.

John Hanlon: Love?

Mike Cahill: Love, definitely. This is something I think Michael said unless I said it (laughter)…which is that it’s a really hard thing to do–to imagine changing your beliefs based on love and then losing that person who guided you through that change. Oh gosh. Isn’t it a horrible thought? It’s so sad. Then you find yourself in a really unusual situation because now you are changed fundamentally and yet the ground or the bridge that carried you there… there’s no bridge back and that’s a sort of powerful sentiment that we tried to capture in this film.

John Hanlon: But in the movie he doesn’t change his beliefs for his fiance?

Mike Cahill: No, but she recognizes something in him, right? She’s like ‘you have it but you’re scared of it. You are a mutant. (laughter) I’m not the only one.’  That sense that when she comes into the laboratory and she talks about worms that have two senses and how his work is opening up a third sense that they have no access to. It’s a moment where Sofi reveals a great deal of wisdom where– I think she gets to him right there because she’s using his work as an analogy for her point of view. There’s no denying the metaphysical realm beyond the physical realm because it’s who who does his work would say five senses are the limit? And if there’s more, that means there’s a whole world that we don’t have access to and we clumsy humans call that spiritual because we don’t know how to articulate it better because we don’t have the articulation process just like a worm can’t describe light to another worm.

John Hanlon: What about you, Michael?

Michael Pitt: What’s the question?

John Hanlon: About changing your beliefs.

Michael Pitt: That’s a tough act to follow. Love is…Something other than love? I totally agree with what Mike is saying and it’s kind’ve–  in a way, it’s kind’ve what the film’s about. What the film does. When we were developing this character, I was always and I hope I was right. I was always urging Mike when we would talk about the character, for us to go even further with the ideas away from that. The idea was hopefully that at the moment. At that moment at the end when you do see something in him, that it would just be a release. It would be a release for not only the character but for the people watching and it’s done really eloquently, the way he directed it. The things that he said to me on that day. The way it was covered and the way that it was edited was not overly dramatic but super super dramatic, which is very difficult.

John Hanlon: What did he say to you on that day?

Michael Pitt: He was like ‘don’t do that thing with your nose?’ (laughter)

Mike Cahill: Actually, it was his suggestion. Credit where credit’s due. I learned so much on this project from working with someone who’s worked with so many great directors. Like Michael’s an asset… I’m a sponge for information and one of the infinite number of things that I learned from him was that you really connect with a character quite deeply if they’re looking just a hair off the camera. Not directly off the camera but just a hair [pff] so when you do shot reverse shot, there’s like an angle of degrees like if you’re more here, it’s a wider angle of them not looking at the camera. The closer you get to the other subject, the more they’re almost looking in the camera and what’s amazing about his character that he created was that he arrives at the arc being changed if you will without saying a word. It’s all just in his face. It’s just in that one shot.  It’s in that shot you know his world’s been shaken and I have to say that was- I didn’t tell him anything. He told me what we should do and I was like, ‘that’s a good idea. Let’s do it.’

Lauren Veneziani: When you’re doing your arc, I thought the whole movie was great but in that one moment, I feel like your character did change.

Mike Cahill: Great.

Michael Pitt: A lot of it though can have to do– when you’re trying to do something like that [it can be attributed to] the editing. It may seem strange cause it’s a very technical thing trying to grasp something that’s maybe not technical but someone else editing it or directing it would see a  person staring– just doing nothing. The moment on which he holds on and the moment in which he leaves can change everything.

Mike Cahill: And then he picks her up. [Laughter] I got choked up.

Michael Pitt:I really got choked up. I actually broke character like I got really choked up.

Lauren Bradshaw: She lived in India, right? She was actually a street kid if you will.

Mike Cahill: Well, she’s an orphan and she’s at an orphanage. She doesn’t live on the street. She’s really well taken care of by beautiful wonderful people who run this facility.

Michael Pitt:It’s a great facility.

Mike Cahill: It’s like a grade school. Like a boarding school for kids.

Michael Pitt:It is an orphanage.

Mike Cahill: It is an orphanage in India. I don’t know all the details but a lot of the kids in the orphanage have parents but they live in the countryside and they send them to the city to have a better life. These facilities will teach them how to speak English. They’ll give them an education. Feed them. House them. You know. A social environment for them to thrive so Kashish, she’s just brilliant. I should show you a picture of her outside the film cause she’s so- She would come to set in a pink [outfit]. She’s nothing like she is in the movie. She is acting.

Michael Pitt: What was amazing was the dress. She would get very dressed up to come to set.

Lauren Veneziani: Like a girly girl. [Cahill shows the photo on his phone of Kashish in her pink dress].

Lauren Bradshaw:  Oh my god. That’s so cute.

Mike Cahill: She’d come like like blinged out with her glasses.

Lauren Veneziani: She was so cute.

Michael Pitt: I got her those glasses.

Mike Cahill: Oh really? (laughter)

Michael Pitt: It’s heartbreaking when you find out there’s a couple dresses that all the girls share. When they get to go somewhere, they get to wear them.

Lauren Bradshaw:  Did you cast the Sofi role and the Salomina role based on their eyes or was it just the actors first?

Mike Cahill: Oh we tricked you. [It’s a] visual effect.  Even in that picture, she doesn’t have those eyes. This was kind of a candid photograph.

Lauren Bradshaw:  She didn’t have white eyes either?

Mike Cahill:  No, she has very dark brown eyes…. Those (in the poster) were Astrid’s [who plays Sofi] real eyes. She has  heterochromic eyes in real life, which is rare and beautiful, and it was challenging to get that. It was one of those things that going from script to screen and like visualizing the ideas, that was challenging and it was fraught with a lot of trial and error. We tried contact lenses. We went to this company called Hand-painted Contact Lenses and made these contacts that cost a few hundred dollars and they looked ridiculous. We shot it in four k which is a really big frame and you could just tell that they’re contact lenses and so I was trying to figure out how we’re gonna achieve this. I didn’t want them to look alike. I wanted them to be the exact same eyes with the same two dots right there… Cause even if you don’t know it- the specificity of it as an audience– you will intuit that they’re the same so we had to sort’ve invent a visual effect technique to get this to work cause eyes are the hardest things to do in visual effects. They look silly if you do it poorly. Not only silly. If you get it even close to reality and it’s digital, like we get unconsciously angry at movies that do that or trigger something inside of us called the uncanny valley so what we did was we took Astrid’s real eyes, filmed them with the same camera that we filmed Kashish with and then we frame by frame cropped out Sophie’s eyes and then motion tracked them to her face so the pupils dilate, which is a lot of work. I didn’t do it.

Michael Pitt: It’s a lot of work but… I think it’s pretty seamless. That’s the most difficult thing to do with digital effects…

Mike Cahill: It is a digital effect cause we’re doing it on a computer but the substance of the eye. It’s the organic thing. It’s like Astrid’s real eye.

Michael Pitt: Sort of like [with] Lucas. There was like Lord of the Rings, right and Lucas was putting out Star Wars at the same time. One of the things that Lord of the Rings did that Lucas didn’t do was they incorporated a real actor and then put the digital effects into that actor’s performance whereas Lucas– there was nothing there… In my opinion, the way they did it in Lord of the Rings was a success because people feel it. They feel it. Your audience is smart. They’re really smart.

Lauren Veneziani:Michael Pitt, you have a lot of fans on Twitter.

Michael Pitt: I do?

Lauren Veneziani: Yeah. I said I was interviewing you today and I got fifteen @ replies.

Michael Pitt: Is that good?

Lauren Veneziani: Yep. [laughter]

Michael Pitt: Well, let’s talk to them.

Lauren Veneziani: This is a message from them. This is @michaelpittfans and @margopacanowski and she wants to know how do you prepare for romantic scenes in movies. Is there anything specific that you do to prepare yourself for those scenes?

Michael Pitt: Yeah, I make sure that I put on some nice shoes. Now that I’m getting older, I make a little bit of an effort. Girls like that… [laughter] Pour them some champagne. It’s actually an interesting question cause it can be really awkward. It can be a really, really awkward thing. I think that what’s important is that you’re really open and I think it’s important to not jump in too quick and sort of get the vibe of the person and really be gracious with the person but I don’t know. Is that a good answer?

Lauren Veneziani: Yeah. That was just one of the questions that they had. They also wanted to know. Are you finished filming Criminal Activities? They wanted to know how it was working with John Travolta and filming that movie and what your looking forward for your fans to see for that movie.

Michael Pitt: I loved working with John Travolta. That’s a very different movie but I would– I do want to say that in a lot of ways, I Origins in a lot of ways [is] talking about how you prepare a relationship that has a lot to do with chemistry. I Origins in a way is a little bit of a retrospective. That’s what we’re doing with Brit Marling and Astrid so I would definitely say what’s her name?

Lauren Veneziani:This is @michaelpittfans.

Michael Pitt: But who?

Lauren Veneziani:This is an actual account dedicated to you.

Michael Pitt: Wow.

Lauren Veneziani: They would love for you to get on Twitter but that’s another story. They wanted to know about the new movie. I think they’ve actually already seen this one.

Michael Pitt: They have? Wow. That’s crazy. The other movie’s kinda like a fun caper movie but working with John Travolta was– I gotta say– a pleasant surprise. He was actually really, really, inspiring. Really gracious.

Lauren Veneziani: And would you ever work with Mike Cahill again cause they said that you make a great team?

Michael Pitt: Yeah. (laughter)

Mike Cahill: You know I’m sitting right here?

Lauren Veneziani: I know. I was like ‘I’m interviewing the both of them.

Michael Pitt: I do think that we’re gonna work together and I do think– I don’t want to jinx anything but I kinda have the feeling that  this is just the beginning of some really amazing work that we’re gonna do together cause we have a shorthand now and we really get along. I think we really complement each other so we really complement each other’s strength and we really fill in the blanks for each other’s weaknesses and that’s kind’ve the best working relationship. Just wait. That’s what I would say.

John Hanlon: Michael ,you said last night that after you play a role, you’re trying to shed aspects of the role. Can you both talk about shedding aspects of this movie cause it’s a very personal movie and then you’re moving onto you next project so you both let go of the film and the role.

Michael Pitt: (joking) I was in full depression. [laughter]

John Hanlon: Like how do you shed aspects of a role?

Michael Pitt: It sounds like a really kind’ve mythical thing like maybe a flaky thing. It’s not something that I early on in my career I ever thought about but I do think that there are technical aspects to your talent and then there’s these other things that are more intuitive and maybe more difficult to explain and I feel like I have those two aspects. There’s the technical one which is about repetition, which is really important. Then there’s this other one that’s like tapping into something and I think that that is usually– when I go there, that’s usually like the directors that I work with are like ‘do that again’ but I do think that that could be a dangerous place to [go]. You need to shed some of those things so what I like to do is cut my hair and go to a beach. That’s like the best case scenerios. You can grab someone you love and just get on a plane and go somewhere. Just change your environment.

John Hanlon:What about you? Letting go of a movie when it’s all done.

Mike Cahill: I’m learning constantly and I’m very ambitious, hopefully in a healthy way. I know ambition is kinda gross but I really but if it’s in a healthy way… there will be themes and things that stay with me cause there are things that I’m wrestling with existentially just being a human. I get inspired by new things so I take the themes with me and I try to push the craft further the next time around.

I Origins opens nationwide this Friday.